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the planets puppet-masters almost sure

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you have a plan it's clearly maybe

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something there beyond the realm of man

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until we've thoroughly tested every last

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pose just did you find the boy you think

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where will we be

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we know the lying to us just don't know

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what to green where would we be without

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all right higher side chatters as time

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goes on sometimes it seems like we spend

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so much time in the alternative we

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nearly forget what's really holding up

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consensus reality because the idea that

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the physical is all that exists that

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consciousness is nothing more than a

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trick of the brain has been proven false

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without a doubt even in my limited

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experience not to mention the mountain

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of research done on remote viewing

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near-death experience precognition

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dimethyltryptamine self-healing and many

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other phenomena and we can clearly see

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exist yet somehow remain completely

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ignored and dismissed by the gatekeeping

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priesthood from on high of what we call

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science ISM and that goes for the realm

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of geopolitical conspiracy too because

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we have plenty of information to show

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that our regulatory agencies are more

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for show than for safety we know false

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flags have been used to start many major

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conflicts and it's clear to see that

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powerful people almost without exception

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come from the same old network of

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interlocking secret clubs and think

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tanks such as Skull and Bones

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Freemasonry Bohemian Grove the CFR the

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Bilderberg Group and all the like but

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ask any person on the street and they'll

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tell you that it all amounts to nothing

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because it wasn't on the evening news

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well these are things today's guest Alec

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securest knows all too well and that he

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and I really are on parallel journeys

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alex is the host of the popular

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skeptical podcast and the author of why

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science is wrong about almost everything

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and he saw the cracks crevices and

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gaping holes ignored by academia and

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instead of finding a spoonful of sugar

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to help that medicine of denial go down

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he embarked on a podcasting journey to

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dig into the weirder data and talk to

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the bright minds and brilliant

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researchers that are just outside the

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box that could tell the stories

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carefully kept out of the mainstream so

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here he is people a fellow SoCal kindred

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spirit a data-driven digital detective

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in a confrontational co-conspirator and

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the plot to overthrow the oligarchs of

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sanctioned ideas and break the

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consciousness quarantine my friend and

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yours Alex welcome to the higher

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Greg amazing introduction as usual

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great to be here as you know my huge fan

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of the show so it's gonna be fun you are

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too kind man and yes it's gonna be a

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real blast thanks for doing it long

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overdue you were kind enough to let my

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stupid stoner ramblings take up one of

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your episodes and I'm really psyched

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that could get you over here on my

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weirdo show now and I wanted to start

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this episode in that kind of classic

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skeptical fashion and find a point a

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difference that we could have a little

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friendly sparring over but I honestly

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struggled to find much it seems like

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we're pretty well aligned on the

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big-ticket items the fact that

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psychedelics do have value but also were

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used in mind-control experiments and

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attempts at culture shaping that the

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climate change movement is about control

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vaccines have been weaponized and the

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data suppressed the material atheist

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model is wrong and breaking down more

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all the time

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9/11 was clearly an inside job UFOs are

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both nuts and bolts spacecraft and have

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a key consciousness component powerful

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people know things about what we call

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magic that are hidden from us the data

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we have is rarely the full story when

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you factor in the conspiratorial cabal's

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we both love Southern California I mean

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man is there a point of difference

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that you think we disagree on we'll find

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one believe me it is my specialty area

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yes I love it but no I mean I think

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you've hit on a bunch of points there

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that we are in agreement with we're

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coming at it from a slightly different

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angle you are way ahead of the curve in

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terms of understanding and trying to

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understand and integrate the

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conspiratorial aspect of it I really

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started out as a guy who is asking some

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really basic science questions who are

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we why are we here and in the process of

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asking those questions and trying to get

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answers from the people I thought were

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the smartest people the people like you

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said who were ordained and sanctioned to

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be the holders of that knowledge

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I just ran smack dab freight train

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head-on into conspiracy at every turn

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into lies half-truths misinformation

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misdirection all the kind of stuff that

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bread and butter and that's where I

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think we truly are kindred spirits

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because it's then getting past that I

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mean like I like to say skeptic Oh for

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me has evolved into a three-part process

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follow the day that wherever it leads

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look for the conspiracy because if you

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don't it's going to bite you in the ass

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you're gonna be taking in stuff that you

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shouldn't be taken in and then finally

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find the deep spirituality for me that's

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answering those questions Who am I

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really

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why am I here at the end of the day if

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I'm not getting some little piece of

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information that moves me closer to that

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deeper spirituality well then I haven't

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really done much mmm well set and I do

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love those three guidelines I'm right

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there with you and you know the biggest

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criticism I get is that I don't

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challenge my guests and some of their

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wild claims enough and to me that is one

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of the most fun parts of skeptic aware

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you sort of do the opposite and question

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your guests conventional claims and it's

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so interesting to see those episodes

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where an academic finds themselves in

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the hot seat I guess I would ask you

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when you do these types of interviews do

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you see a certain pattern emerge when

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you challenge the paradigm of these PhDs

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sometimes their behavior and reactions

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can be pretty telling right yeah it's

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really something that has truly evolved

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over the time I mean I didn't go into it

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thinking that that's what I'm going to

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do I really went into it kind of naively

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thinking that these people could back up

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what they're saying and I'm just kind of

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naturally someone who is I'm from

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Chicago you know you're from Missouri

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the show-me-state you got a little bit

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of that in me I'm from Chicago wiseguy

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like hey you know what are you talking

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about back it up you know and when

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people didn't back it up then it kind of

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embolden me to move even further in that

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direction and then what I found really

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just is the best is presenting people

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with their own writing and where it is a

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misrepresentation of the research as

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it's known to be you know presenting

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someone where they've Mis quoted

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somebody I mean how can you not do that

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you see where they've misquoted or

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misinterpreted something then I think

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that has to be put on the table and I do

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so mm-hmm

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I could tell you a quick story about

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that if you want absolutely I love these

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little stories yeah well since a lot of

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what I do like I said is this

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consciousness related research stuff I

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had this occasion I was talking to this

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woman head of this department at this

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University in San Francisco since her

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whole departments about consciousness I

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was like keen to drill into this a

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little bit because I thought she'd

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missed the boat as we were chatting a

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little bit about prior to the interview

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that this consciousness thing really is

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fundamentally about some deep things

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about who we are are we these biological

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robots is consciousness an illusion or

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is there something more and you ask any

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six-year-old and he'll say well there's

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something more I'm real I have feelings

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you know and it's totally absurd and

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it's probably hard for some of your

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listeners to even believe that

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mainstream science still dabbles with

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and primarily supports the idea that

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consciousness your day by day minute by

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minute experience of who you are is

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nothing but an illusion I mean that is a

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crazy idea imagine you know you're you

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you think you're you you say hello and

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there's something that observes that and

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hears that you know that's not an

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illusion you know if anything in the

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world is real that's real you are real

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and yet science still dabbles with that

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idea that consciousness is an illusion

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and in a while we can talk about why

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they do what's at stake for them if they

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let go of that idea that as you said in

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the introduction really doesn't make any

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sense the back of the story so I'm

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talking this woman you know her pretty

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hard and she's probably used to people

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kissing her ass pretty good and I'm not

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being rude or anything but I'm kind of

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being a little bit pushy and finally she

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goes why do you care and it kind of set

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me aback a little bit because it

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why do I care why the don't you

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care more yes I mean isn't this the

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fundamental question that we should be

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asking isn't this what it's really all

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about you're playing all these games

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with rewording this stuff and misquoting

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research and not being attuned to the

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research you said you know near-death

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experience neural plasticity

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reincarnation science you know as a dunt

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at the university of virginia genetics

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and epigenetics you know all this stuff

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which falsifies this materialistic you

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are a robot in a meaningless universe

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paradigm all that kind of collapses and

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she's saying why do you care well I do

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care and to turn it back to you that's

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one of the things no

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that I really really appreciate about

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conspirators a lot of stuff out there

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that is conspirator what I feel like

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when I'm listening to your show is you

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care about the underlying truth you care

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about nudging closer to is this true is

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this not true and that to me is the

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corollary with the consciousness stuff

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because if we're not biological robots

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and a meaningless universe if were more

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and I think we are then there's a lot of

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that we gotta sort through mm-hmm

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well said man and I appreciate the kind

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words and before this started we were

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talking about that science of

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consciousness conference something that

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happened in our neck of the woods and I

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really wish I would have hit you up so

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we could go together because it is way

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more in your wheelhouse but so many of

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the presentations by these Silicon

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Valley folks were about building a

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better AI and where they are with that

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process and it was always about building

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a computer based off of the brain

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structure and I'm sitting there the

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least educated person in the room and

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I'm thinking I haven't heard one person

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bring up the fact that there's an

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element to our mind that is not the

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physical brain I mean it's not the

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physical brain that's floating out of

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our body for astral travel it's not the

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physical brain that is floating around

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doing the remote viewing that apparently

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actually happens as hard as that might

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to believe the data supports it and so

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there's obviously something else there

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and it's just crazy that an entire field

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of you'd think the brightest minds are

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in denial about it I think they're too

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smart to be in denial in some cases and

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I think that obviously like you said

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conspiracy touches on these areas

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it sure does and I always credit our

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buddy Gordon white with being one of the

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first people to really drive this home

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to me but there's a great conspiracy

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story in this one as well because if you

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look into the deep state shadow

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government's interest in consciousness

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it really started I hate to tie to UFOs

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but it really started right about the

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time that we suspect they started

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getting some information about UFOs and

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the occupants of those UFOs and some of

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the mind technology that they had in

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terms of telepathy and all the rest of

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that but if you're not quite ready to go

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there just set that aside and just look

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at the product of that research right so

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you have MKULTRA the famous mind-control

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project of the 50s where they did all

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these horrible experiments on people but

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it was all about understanding how to

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manipulate control weaponize if you will

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consciousness and they weren't under the

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illusion that it was an illusion they

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were way past that and if you want even

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more evidence of that look at the

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Stargate program you referenced again

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remote viewing so take it out to

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Stanford Research Institute right up the

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road he'll put off Russell Targ Uri

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Geller all names that people might

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recognize they're doing remote viewing

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they're doing psychic spying on the

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Russians on the Chinese on the American

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people of course they never include the

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people but of course they're doing that

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this completely presupposes that

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consciousness is more that consciousness

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is as you say outside of the brain as

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well as inside the brain because we do

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know there is a relationship between the

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brain and consciousness so anyways how

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are these guys front

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like this how are they fronting at this

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conference how is deepak chopra who on

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one hand is kind of speaking out of one

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side of his mouth and going oh yeah you

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know it's so much more but then can rub

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shoulders with all the Silicon Valley

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guys and go hey man if you can build AI

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and do it then do it because we can

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build a machine and it's all brain based

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stuff I mean there is a real conspiracy

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in terms of how consciousness has been

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assumed to be more by the deep state so

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assume to be spirits are somehow in the

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realm demons and all the rest of that

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stuff hey we got to consider that as

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part of the realm remote viewing we got

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to consider that part of the realm but

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the marching orders that have been given

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to academic science is pretend like none

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of that is real and it's not like as you

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and I could talk about and I'm sure

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you'd agree you know a lot of people

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miss hear that and they think oh you

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know there's some big smoky room where

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everyone gets together and gives their

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marching orders you know you say this

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you don't say this I don't think that's

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how it happens I think it's more than

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useful idiot model you know you just

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find someone who's parroting what you

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already want to say and you put a few

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bread crumbs out in front of them a few

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pieces of cheese and let him you know

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continue to go through the maze the way

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you want him to do and you never touch

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the gun and then the people who are

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saying the wrong thing we know what

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happens to them people are saying oh no

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there are these other realms there is

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the spirituality or this spirit realm

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that we have to consider we prune those

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off the tree

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you know we cut off their research or

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worse so how do you see that useful

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idiot versus inside player thing working

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out that is one thing I really wanted to

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so many questions believe but that was

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one of them that I wanted to kind of ask

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sure well you know I'm not really

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married to very many models but I would

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say like you if I were to guess I think

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it is kind of a lot more useful idiots

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out there than it is people who are

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actually meeting in those dark rooms

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because the way I see it is the

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oligarchs all they had to do was control

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the education boards and control the

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universities and once she

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get in there in those formative years of

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the American academia system you create

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the content and so you're going to breed

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all kinds of useful idiots because

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you're the ones giving out the

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certificates and chastising those who

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are going in other directions

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you control the career pipelines of all

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the scientific realms so right there is

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how you kind of control the narrative

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and anyone who wants to be successful in

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those pools has to do things your way or

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they just won't be and that creates the

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culture of self-policing these people

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will call out their own colleagues if

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they're going in these weird areas so I

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really think it's that easy sadly I

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totally agree with you and I think

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that's exactly how it does play out and

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you know I think there's another angle

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to it too and I had a excellent guest on

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who talked about this a guy's a

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scientist for longest time at Virginia

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Tech and taught science and the history

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of science and his point that he added

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to it was that you have economic or

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market forces added to that that in the

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50s there was this glut of PhDs because

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we were all pro science after the world

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war ii and we saw these opportunities to

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make money off of technology so it was

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like hey go for it but what happened is

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then the market shrunk and then there

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were fewer and fewer dollars being

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chased by more and more PhDs who we'd

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built the system like you said to crank

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it out and it kind of had that effect of

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making it even easier to control people

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cuz now you know there's fewer dollars

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and if you can hold on to those dollars

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you can really get the rats fighting and

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get them to say exactly what you want to

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say that guy's name by the way is dr.

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Henry Bower great guy great books and

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influential ideas hmm now another

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question that I wanted to try to hit

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early on was the question of why like

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why do you think consciousness and

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things like near-death experience and

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remote viewing research are such a

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threat to the establishment why does the

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state feel the need to dig their heels

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in on this idea that consciousness

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doesn't exist when the church had been

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able to rule over us pretty damn well

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when the idea of a saw was pretty

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well you might have hit on part of the

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reason I'll think that's kind of a false

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dichotomy that's been set up this idea

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of science versus religion but to

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whatever extent it's been set up it's

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pretty well-established and they play

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off it beautifully right so you're

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either an atheistic scientist or you're

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a religious person you know whenever you

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start talking about spirituality people

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wind up saying what are you you know

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which is like right you have to be

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pigeonholed you know I'm a Catholic I'm

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Jewish I'm what a ridiculous idea

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they're all these traditions that are

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based on cultish practices and

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controlling people you know and I piss

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off a lot of people when I say that but

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I don't know how you can really

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interpret that any differently sure

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there might have been some spiritual

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truths behind that but that's kind of

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where it evolved but it's even worse

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when you look over on the atheistic

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science side I mean their proposition

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again that we're biological robots in a

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meaningless universe is completely

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absurd and falsified like we say but as

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to why they bet everything on this

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proposition because if consciousness is

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more then they have to go back to the

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church they have to go back to their

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arch enemy on the other side and say oh

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you were right there is more to

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consider and since as scientists our job

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our whole idea is that we can measure

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the outside world we can measure it

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compare it contrast it and report back

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to you about how it works and if you

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introduce now the idea that

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fundamentally consciousness is

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overriding or underlying however you

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want to put it but that consciousness is

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fundamental to all that now all bets are

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off you know as I said in the book I

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give the example of boiling water let's

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take the most simple science experiment

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you can think of it's like what

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temperature does water boil at and some

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guy goes okay that's easy it's you know

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212 degrees Fahrenheit or whatever they

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go well hold on I have to control for

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all the variable

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what if you're up on the top of really

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high mountain okay well yeah we have to

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control for altitude that varies it so

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we have to get all our controls in place

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okay

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consciousness is not illusion there's a

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spiritual realm is that influencing the

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boiling water how many angels were on

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the head of the thermometer when you

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placed it in the water these are on one

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hit absurd questions but science can

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look around the corner and see that if

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it lets the game go that's where it goes

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right right it goes to where those

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questions do have to be put on the table

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and science at that point is obsoleted

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itself in saying we've done the best we

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can with this kind of little game that

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we've played but since consciousness

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extends beyond what we can measure

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currently extends beyond what we can

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observe then our game is up we have to

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put an asterisk by everything we do and

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saying we did the best we could but we

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weren't able to factor in consciousness

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because well nobody understands how many

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angels spit on the head of a thermometer

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you know right and I do think you're

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correct and it is a false dichotomy

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that's been set up to kind of control

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both sides of course something I'm

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always reminded of is the Big Bang

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Theory was cooked up by a Vatican

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astronomer you know the book of Genesis

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for scientists came from the same source

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that is the complete opposite side of

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the coin I just find that fascinating

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that one little point and I guess I

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would say we really need to know exactly

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what those Fifty's projects discovered

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about consciousness so that we could

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really understand why they hit us so

547
00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:37,340
hard in the later years with material

548
00:22:41,289 --> 00:22:39,049
atheism because I think that's kind of

549
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:41,299
the key to understanding it we have

550
00:22:45,970 --> 00:22:43,730
speculations that they're breaking the

551
00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:45,980
minds of children and opening up portals

552
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:48,710
to communications with entities and you

553
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:50,570
really got to wonder like what the hell

554
00:22:56,169 --> 00:22:53,840
did they discover that I would say that

555
00:22:58,180 --> 00:22:56,179
the material atheism roll out was a real

556
00:23:00,820 --> 00:22:58,190
reaction to because I went to a private

557
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,830
Catholic school and in my environment I

558
00:23:05,169 --> 00:23:02,720
was rebellious in the best way to be a

559
00:23:07,330 --> 00:23:05,179
rebel was to be a Material atheist to

560
00:23:08,019 --> 00:23:07,340
bring Christopher Hitchens book to class

561
00:23:11,919 --> 00:23:08,029
I

562
00:23:14,409 --> 00:23:11,929
line of getting in serious trouble and

563
00:23:16,060 --> 00:23:14,419
you know you're not gonna actually send

564
00:23:18,009 --> 00:23:16,070
a kid to the principal's office for

565
00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:18,019
bringing a book to class that says God

566
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:21,289
is not real but you might want to and so

567
00:23:24,879 --> 00:23:23,450
to me at that time my life that was

568
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,889
really interesting but at least I can

569
00:23:29,109 --> 00:23:26,080
look back and acknowledge that

570
00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:29,119
Christopher Hitchens Richard Dawkins a

571
00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:30,950
lot of these guys came out at the same

572
00:23:35,979 --> 00:23:33,289
time with New York Times bestsellers

573
00:23:37,690 --> 00:23:35,989
about atheism and now it does look a

574
00:23:40,089 --> 00:23:37,700
little bit like a roll out to me it's

575
00:23:42,489 --> 00:23:40,099
kind of curious in retrospect do you

576
00:23:45,399 --> 00:23:42,499
have those same thoughts well

577
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:45,409
I view it as multifaceted the discussion

578
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:47,210
we were having about how the educational

579
00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:49,129
process works and I think you nailed it

580
00:23:53,769 --> 00:23:51,769
if you control the institutions and the

581
00:23:55,419 --> 00:23:53,779
educational boards and the educational

582
00:23:57,489 --> 00:23:55,429
committees and more importantly if you

583
00:24:00,159 --> 00:23:57,499
control the money the grants that whole

584
00:24:01,269 --> 00:24:00,169
system you can shape it in a direction

585
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:01,279
where it then becomes a

586
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,159
self-perpetuating machine that goes in

587
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:06,320
this certain direction and I think a lot

588
00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:08,450
of the materialistic you are a

589
00:24:12,579 --> 00:24:10,460
biological robot in a meaningless

590
00:24:14,889 --> 00:24:12,589
universe stuff is nothing more than that

591
00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:14,899
it's setting the wheels in motion and

592
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:17,809
then they just run their own course but

593
00:24:22,299 --> 00:24:20,450
this is the conspiratorial work that you

594
00:24:25,450 --> 00:24:22,309
do and why I think it's so important to

595
00:24:29,379 --> 00:24:25,460
raise that and to ask that question to

596
00:24:31,089 --> 00:24:29,389
what extent was there this manufactured

597
00:24:33,129 --> 00:24:31,099
resistance on the part of the

598
00:24:34,419 --> 00:24:33,139
quote-unquote new atheist because

599
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:34,429
there's two ways of looking at it

600
00:24:39,219 --> 00:24:37,369
there's the angle that you took but also

601
00:24:41,019 --> 00:24:39,229
remember that at that time there was a

602
00:24:43,389 --> 00:24:41,029
rise of the religious right in the

603
00:24:45,999 --> 00:24:43,399
United States particularly from a

604
00:24:47,859 --> 00:24:46,009
political standpoint George Bush figured

605
00:24:50,109 --> 00:24:47,869
out that even though he was a fake

606
00:24:53,049 --> 00:24:50,119
Christian he could really win over a lot

607
00:24:55,749 --> 00:24:53,059
of Christians with this stick that he

608
00:24:58,060 --> 00:24:55,759
did so some of it was no doubt a

609
00:25:00,459 --> 00:24:58,070
political reactionary movement to that

610
00:25:02,979 --> 00:25:00,469
but was there another element as you're

611
00:25:05,950 --> 00:25:02,989
suggesting hey man of course that's on

612
00:25:08,049 --> 00:25:05,960
the table mm-hmm and to further the

613
00:25:10,329 --> 00:25:08,059
point of why this stuff would be a

614
00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:10,339
threat well just imagine if the

615
00:25:15,070 --> 00:25:12,769
floodgates were truly open what if a

616
00:25:17,019 --> 00:25:15,080
hundred million Joe schmo's were trying

617
00:25:19,149 --> 00:25:17,029
to remote view the Pentagon backroom

618
00:25:21,789 --> 00:25:19,159
meetings or project their consciousness

619
00:25:23,889 --> 00:25:21,799
into the Vatican vault you know that

620
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:23,899
could be something that the elite would

621
00:25:28,090 --> 00:25:25,730
want to worry about or you know

622
00:25:29,979 --> 00:25:28,100
self-healing if that was really explored

623
00:25:31,989 --> 00:25:29,989
it would completely disrupt Big Pharma's

624
00:25:34,509 --> 00:25:31,999
money train it could open up doors to

625
00:25:37,539 --> 00:25:34,519
magic who knows how powerful and

626
00:25:39,729 --> 00:25:37,549
awakened citizenry really could be it's

627
00:25:41,710 --> 00:25:39,739
also the same reason that the ancients

628
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:41,720
are made to look so stupid you talk

629
00:25:46,570 --> 00:25:43,970
about a lot of these realms of science

630
00:25:49,979 --> 00:25:46,580
well you know it also ties into

631
00:25:53,379 --> 00:25:49,989
archeology and anthropology and just the

632
00:25:55,749 --> 00:25:53,389
exploration of our ancestors Egyptology

633
00:25:58,239 --> 00:25:55,759
I mean there's a clampdown in those

634
00:26:01,019 --> 00:25:58,249
areas too because I think that you can

635
00:26:03,789 --> 00:26:01,029
almost draw a continuity between the

636
00:26:07,060 --> 00:26:03,799
shutdown of all that stuff by the Roman

637
00:26:09,729 --> 00:26:07,070
Empire and then what we have today which

638
00:26:11,169 --> 00:26:09,739
is a culture of academics that says

639
00:26:13,210 --> 00:26:11,179
there's nothing to see there they were

640
00:26:15,129 --> 00:26:13,220
all stupid they're lucky that we brought

641
00:26:17,349 --> 00:26:15,139
them civilization and this is how we do

642
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:17,359
things now and it really does seem to be

643
00:26:22,029 --> 00:26:19,970
kind of a big umbrella that's covering

644
00:26:24,940 --> 00:26:22,039
the same type of Secrets generation

645
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:24,950
after generation and let me come at it

646
00:26:29,139 --> 00:26:27,289
from another angle as well that doesn't

647
00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:29,149
take away from all those or the

648
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,220
potential of all those how about the

649
00:26:37,419 --> 00:26:34,159
basic fact that when we make people feel

650
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,429
alone when we make them feel afraid when

651
00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:39,440
we make them feel disempowered like they

652
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:42,350
don't have any any power in their life

653
00:26:47,379 --> 00:26:45,769
any ability to do anything well aren't

654
00:26:50,379 --> 00:26:47,389
those the kind of people that are a lot

655
00:26:53,229 --> 00:26:50,389
easier to control to manipulate to heard

656
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:53,239
from here to there then a bunch of wild

657
00:26:58,869 --> 00:26:56,210
ass free thinkers who think that limits

658
00:27:01,149 --> 00:26:58,879
of their consciousness have no limits

659
00:27:03,340 --> 00:27:01,159
and that they can explore and be whoever

660
00:27:06,460 --> 00:27:03,350
they are and that they're not attached

661
00:27:09,970 --> 00:27:06,470
to what they can buy and what they can

662
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:09,980
consume I mean which group do you want

663
00:27:16,299 --> 00:27:12,559
if you want to herd the cats you know I

664
00:27:18,129 --> 00:27:16,309
want the submissive alone afraid ones no

665
00:27:21,070 --> 00:27:18,139
doubt and I mean if consciousness

666
00:27:23,109 --> 00:27:21,080
affects matter that is just a huge

667
00:27:24,669 --> 00:27:23,119
problem for the elite I guess you could

668
00:27:27,070 --> 00:27:24,679
also say we see a similar thing with

669
00:27:29,619 --> 00:27:27,080
UFOs it might not be that flying saucers

670
00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:29,629
themselves are the problem it's maybe

671
00:27:33,639 --> 00:27:31,460
how easy they are to make or how

672
00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:33,649
disruptive they would be to the oil and

673
00:27:38,190 --> 00:27:35,230
energy industries an apparent

674
00:27:40,409 --> 00:27:38,200
they opened the doors to possibly some

675
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:40,419
type of off the table physics that could

676
00:27:45,270 --> 00:27:42,910
really change humanity I've also heard

677
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:45,280
quotes from Tesla that suggests that

678
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:48,850
with very little effort or resources a

679
00:27:54,570 --> 00:27:52,450
person could use his technologies or his

680
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:54,580
understanding of science to cause a lot

681
00:27:57,930 --> 00:27:56,110
of destruction things that would make

682
00:28:01,500 --> 00:27:57,940
the atom bomb look small by comparison

683
00:28:03,270 --> 00:28:01,510
and obviously that's a concern to the

684
00:28:05,549 --> 00:28:03,280
elite and everybody but I've heard some

685
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:05,559
kind of elite apologists say well they

686
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:06,970
have to suppress all this stuff because

687
00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:10,090
of its destructive power that may be but

688
00:28:14,730 --> 00:28:12,160
it's also disruptive to their piggy bank

689
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:14,740
so let's not discount that element we've

690
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:17,290
been down that pathway too many times to

691
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:20,320
fall for that we need to protect you and

692
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:21,970
here's how we're gonna do it we're gonna

693
00:28:25,770 --> 00:28:23,580
take away all your rights all the

694
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:25,780
information that we promised to give you

695
00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:27,580
we'll just take it all away from you but

696
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:29,260
there's another aspect of that that I

697
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:31,690
think is very interesting to me and is

698
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:33,370
certainly current in the news because

699
00:28:41,310 --> 00:28:38,220
you see drip by drip obvious disclosure

700
00:28:43,409 --> 00:28:41,320
charade that is the time to long a New

701
00:28:45,690 --> 00:28:43,419
York Times thing and I say it's a

702
00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:45,700
charade not because it isn't real but

703
00:28:51,570 --> 00:28:48,190
because of the way they framed it right

704
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:51,580
the New York Times releases the reality

705
00:28:57,330 --> 00:28:54,970
of UFOs and no one says well obviously

706
00:28:59,730 --> 00:28:57,340
this opens the floodgates for the

707
00:29:01,289 --> 00:28:59,740
understanding that this is my boy and

708
00:29:03,030 --> 00:29:01,299
for 60 years it's not like this is the

709
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:03,040
only program so the government is known

710
00:29:06,659 --> 00:29:04,809
the government has lied to us there's

711
00:29:09,150 --> 00:29:06,669
all these questions but I digress

712
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:09,160
slightly I mean one part is why aren't

713
00:29:14,430 --> 00:29:11,650
those questions being asked but more

714
00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:14,440
importantly to me is what is being

715
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,870
substituted and introduced as the

716
00:29:21,030 --> 00:29:19,120
questions we should ask what are the

717
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:21,040
questions that Tom DeLonge is directing

718
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:23,530
us towards and those are hey how can we

719
00:29:28,110 --> 00:29:26,110
use this to get free energy mm-hmm and

720
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:28,120
I'm like well wait a minute I'm of the

721
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:30,490
deep spirituality I'm Breyer we who are

722
00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:32,890
we why are we here and I'm saying you

723
00:29:39,390 --> 00:29:36,220
just dropped the consciousness bomb in

724
00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:39,400
terms of we are more there are other

725
00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:41,320
beings that are more there's this

726
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:43,630
apparent realm that is outside of our

727
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:47,770
existence where UFO ETS near-death

728
00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:48,970
experience

729
00:29:56,909 --> 00:29:54,520
Rick Strassman z' patients at New Mexico

730
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,919
who dropped the DMT and then go to this

731
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,440
other realm and there are the grays and

732
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:02,080
they say glad you're here we've been

733
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:03,039
waiting for you

734
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:04,720
so there's this whole other realm that

735
00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:06,490
we've now explored that completely

736
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:08,950
redefines who we are and what is time to

737
00:30:14,370 --> 00:30:11,890
long saying hey buddy how about some

738
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:14,380
free energy off of that it's like

739
00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:15,760
your free energy

740
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,140
know how this redefines who I am right

741
00:30:25,529 --> 00:30:22,480
right that is obviously a huge question

742
00:30:28,350 --> 00:30:25,539
as well and I really do like looking at

743
00:30:31,399 --> 00:30:28,360
blink-182 through the lens of like a

744
00:30:34,169 --> 00:30:31,409
Dave McGowan or even a Joe Atwell and

745
00:30:35,940 --> 00:30:34,179
looking at his father you know Tom

746
00:30:38,460 --> 00:30:35,950
DeLonge senior he was an oil company

747
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:38,470
executive his mother was a mortgage

748
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:41,289
broker so oil and banking right off the

749
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:43,690
bat Mark Hoppus the guy who's in the

750
00:30:47,310 --> 00:30:45,490
band with him his father worked for the

751
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:47,320
US Department of Defense designing

752
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,799
missiles and bombs at the Navy testing

753
00:30:54,690 --> 00:30:52,720
center out here and so both of these

754
00:30:57,149 --> 00:30:54,700
guys are super connected and this is a

755
00:30:59,399 --> 00:30:57,159
bit of a tangent but Travis Barker seems

756
00:31:01,409 --> 00:30:59,409
to be the only one in that band with

757
00:31:03,419 --> 00:31:01,419
actual humble beginnings and funny

758
00:31:06,210 --> 00:31:03,429
enough there's a curious element to his

759
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:06,220
story he was always afraid to fly in his

760
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:08,710
teenage years he was quote-unquote sure

761
00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:10,510
he was going to die in some kind of

762
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,820
plane crash also when blink-182 was

763
00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:14,559
putting together artwork for that take

764
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:16,990
off your pants and jacket album in 2001

765
00:31:21,899 --> 00:31:19,450
they created an icon for each band

766
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:21,909
member a jacket a pair of pants and an

767
00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:24,159
airplane and Travis is quoted saying

768
00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:25,929
please don't give me the plane I have a

769
00:31:29,580 --> 00:31:28,150
really fucked-up fear of flying but in

770
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:29,590
the end they gave it to him anyway and

771
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,809
sure enough he almost did die in a

772
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:34,240
terrible plane crash and there's that

773
00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:36,730
eerie intuition at play number one but

774
00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:38,830
also the idea that these things don't

775
00:31:42,029 --> 00:31:40,750
seem to happen to people in the club as

776
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:42,039
much as they happen to people right

777
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:44,590
around the club and that's of course a

778
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:47,770
tangent but it just raises a whole lot

779
00:31:52,380 --> 00:31:50,110
of red flags about why this would be the

780
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:52,390
band why Tom DeLonge would be the guy

781
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,610
that the deep state thinks the

782
00:31:58,980 --> 00:31:56,559
population is going to trust I mean I

783
00:32:00,510 --> 00:31:58,990
just think they were way off in that and

784
00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:00,520
that's why he's kind of drifted to the

785
00:32:03,610 --> 00:32:01,190
background

786
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:03,620
they just thought that he had our trust

787
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:05,450
and one of the things that didn't go

788
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:08,210
well was his Joe Rogan interview but it

789
00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:10,730
just doesn't seem like the operation

790
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:12,440
they were running took the way they

791
00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:15,530
wanted it to take I think you're spot-on

792
00:32:21,970 --> 00:32:17,870
and I don't think I saw that right away

793
00:32:24,430 --> 00:32:21,980
I reacted more to this free energy thing

794
00:32:26,350 --> 00:32:24,440
but I'll tell you one thing I think that

795
00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:26,360
you just touched on and this is like

796
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:29,030
pure conspiracy stuff but it also

797
00:32:33,370 --> 00:32:30,890
relates to the kind of skeptical mission

798
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,380
and where you see why I've come to the

799
00:32:37,420 --> 00:32:35,120
conclusion that if you're not in the

800
00:32:38,860 --> 00:32:37,430
conspiracy game you're not in the truth

801
00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:38,870
game in general I mean if you're just

802
00:32:43,390 --> 00:32:40,820
trying to find it figure out science if

803
00:32:45,610 --> 00:32:43,400
you're not in the conspiracy game you're

804
00:32:48,970 --> 00:32:45,620
not gonna figure it out

805
00:32:51,370 --> 00:32:48,980
I think the idea that the culture

806
00:32:54,550 --> 00:32:51,380
shapers if you will the people who are

807
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:54,560
running these little games are much more

808
00:32:59,230 --> 00:32:57,410
in the reactive mode than they are in

809
00:33:00,790 --> 00:32:59,240
the proactive mode I mean they're just

810
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,800
throwing up against the wall and

811
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:01,760
see if it sticks

812
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,010
so that's where I wouldn't quite go as

813
00:33:07,570 --> 00:33:05,840
far with the time to long thing I mean

814
00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:07,580
not totally shut down to that but I

815
00:33:12,250 --> 00:33:10,070
think it's more like hey this guy pops

816
00:33:14,020 --> 00:33:12,260
up raises his hand and says hey I'm

817
00:33:17,050 --> 00:33:14,030
really interested this and I want to do

818
00:33:20,140 --> 00:33:17,060
it and some guy said speckies hmm how

819
00:33:22,660 --> 00:33:20,150
could we use that MF man he's perfect

820
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:22,670
he's ringing all our bells that we want

821
00:33:27,820 --> 00:33:25,610
bring him in buddy let's give him the

822
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:27,830
gospel and see what happens and I think

823
00:33:32,860 --> 00:33:29,930
you're totally right I think they ran

824
00:33:35,050 --> 00:33:32,870
that thing and they went out and all

825
00:33:37,690 --> 00:33:35,060
indications are they thought it was

826
00:33:39,580 --> 00:33:37,700
gonna fly they thought the New York

827
00:33:41,950 --> 00:33:39,590
Times thing and that everyone would be

828
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:41,960
and it didn't and they don't know but

829
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:43,730
none of us know why as everyone

830
00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:46,640
distracted is everyone already past that

831
00:33:51,610 --> 00:33:49,340
did everyone see through it as the

832
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:51,620
charade that it is or the half truth

833
00:33:56,380 --> 00:33:54,290
that it is we don't know and they don't

834
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:56,390
know either that would be my contention

835
00:33:59,050 --> 00:33:58,610
they're just throwing against the

836
00:34:01,060 --> 00:33:59,060
wall

837
00:34:03,070 --> 00:34:01,070
and seeing how it sticks and when it

838
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:03,080
doesn't stick then there's a guy in the

839
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:05,210
back of the room that says you know what

840
00:34:10,210 --> 00:34:07,490
we can use that too you know and but

841
00:34:11,620 --> 00:34:10,220
next round we see will be based on you

842
00:34:14,169 --> 00:34:11,630
know that didn't work and we learn

843
00:34:16,690 --> 00:34:14,179
something from that so let's do this

844
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,700
right they can always back out of a plan

845
00:34:20,589 --> 00:34:18,079
that's kind of something that people

846
00:34:22,809 --> 00:34:20,599
don't seem to realize you can fill the

847
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:22,819
60s youth with psychedelics and if you

848
00:34:27,329 --> 00:34:25,129
don't like the way they react to it if

849
00:34:29,799 --> 00:34:27,339
they become too anti-establishment

850
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:29,809
anti-authoritarian anti-war you just

851
00:34:36,099 --> 00:34:32,210
rusher in the war on drugs and lock them

852
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,109
all up exactly great exactly and like

853
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,720
Joe at well is awesome I love talked to

854
00:34:41,950 --> 00:34:40,399
him I've learned so much from them but I

855
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:41,960
think that's where you're kind of

856
00:34:46,930 --> 00:34:44,450
teasing me about the conspiracy push

857
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:46,940
back and what we might disagree on I

858
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,480
mean I think there's so many areas to be

859
00:34:55,450 --> 00:34:52,399
a little bit more critical of our own

860
00:34:57,579 --> 00:34:55,460
community you know so joette well has

861
00:34:58,900 --> 00:34:57,589
done as you just interviewed them and

862
00:35:02,260 --> 00:34:58,910
I'm sure you guys talked about this but

863
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:02,270
this culture shaping thing that the CIA

864
00:35:06,549 --> 00:35:03,770
or the shadow government has been

865
00:35:07,780 --> 00:35:06,559
involved with no doubt but then to think

866
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:07,790
that they kind of have it all planned

867
00:35:12,549 --> 00:35:09,710
out and it worked out the way it did I

868
00:35:14,319 --> 00:35:12,559
think is the wrong road to go down and I

869
00:35:16,210 --> 00:35:14,329
think you have to challenge that a

870
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:16,220
little bit and consider the alternative

871
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:18,650
like what you just said to me makes a

872
00:35:24,099 --> 00:35:21,650
million times more sense in that oh

873
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,109
you know that LSD thing that's doing

874
00:35:28,299 --> 00:35:26,240
exactly what we didn't want it to do you

875
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:28,309
know it's lighting up everybody and

876
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:32,089
making them open to a greater reality oh

877
00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:34,250
we can fix that we'll come in with the

878
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,430
war on drugs you don't absolutely I

879
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,960
think it just makes so much sense and

880
00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:41,119
when you consider the mind state of some

881
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:43,849
of these deep players they're just not

882
00:35:47,890 --> 00:35:46,490
thinking about that awakening that would

883
00:35:51,490 --> 00:35:47,900
occur they're only thinking about

884
00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:51,500
weaponization about truth serums about

885
00:35:56,380 --> 00:35:53,960
that kind of stuff and how they can use

886
00:35:58,930 --> 00:35:56,390
it so I think when they pushed it out

887
00:36:00,130 --> 00:35:58,940
there and maybe this is real speculative

888
00:36:02,799 --> 00:36:00,140
but maybe they learned about a

889
00:36:05,470 --> 00:36:02,809
connection between opening portals and

890
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,480
entities and these entheogens and they

891
00:36:09,819 --> 00:36:07,520
thought let's see what happens when we

892
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,829
give it to thousands of people you know

893
00:36:12,579 --> 00:36:10,880
let's see what happens when we give it

894
00:36:15,309 --> 00:36:12,589
to tens of thousands of people if

895
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,319
anything reacts to it and you know

896
00:36:18,910 --> 00:36:17,119
obviously that's way out there but I

897
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:18,920
definitely think you can always put the

898
00:36:22,329 --> 00:36:20,450
genie back in the bottle when you pretty

899
00:36:24,609 --> 00:36:22,339
much have control of culture I kind of

900
00:36:27,490 --> 00:36:24,619
think that's what occupy was they let

901
00:36:28,030 --> 00:36:27,500
that thing go in New York for a long

902
00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:28,040
time it

903
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:29,960
was a big community they had a lending

904
00:36:34,090 --> 00:36:31,850
library they're making meals people are

905
00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:34,100
donating things and then when you're

906
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:36,470
done seeing how that experiment plays

907
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:38,330
out you send in the cops and it's gone

908
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:39,440
in two days

909
00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:42,650
yeah it's that simple but another thing

910
00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:44,270
I wanted to kind of ask you about it

911
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,190
because we don't really get into the

912
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,320
scientific data or the research on

913
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:50,000
consciousness and side effects very

914
00:36:53,410 --> 00:36:51,650
often because I think some of the

915
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:53,420
listeners here maybe take those things

916
00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:56,240
for a given but this is an area where

917
00:36:59,590 --> 00:36:57,710
you're very knowledgeable and we all

918
00:37:00,910 --> 00:36:59,600
have to deal with conventional thinkers

919
00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:00,920
in life so it's good to have some

920
00:37:05,650 --> 00:37:03,140
ammunition for the alternative let me

921
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:05,660
ask it this way if you met a material

922
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:07,610
atheist in a bar what is the research

923
00:37:12,070 --> 00:37:09,890
that you're citing to best make the case

924
00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:12,080
that there's more to the model than just

925
00:37:15,130 --> 00:37:13,400
the physical what would you confront

926
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:15,140
them with well there's a couple ways you

927
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:18,530
could go one you could take your drink

928
00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:20,930
and walk the other way because you're

929
00:37:25,180 --> 00:37:22,940
never going to change that mind you know

930
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:25,190
belief systems especially these kind are

931
00:37:29,740 --> 00:37:28,130
really hard to penetrate but anyone

932
00:37:32,350 --> 00:37:29,750
who's listening to this show already

933
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:32,360
knows that has had enough Thanksgiving

934
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:35,210
dinner conversations to know that people

935
00:37:39,310 --> 00:37:36,890
are married to their beliefs in this

936
00:37:41,530 --> 00:37:39,320
strange way that doesn't allow for a lot

937
00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:41,540
of change but as far as research the

938
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:45,230
really I think clincher is the

939
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:47,690
near-death experience science research

940
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:50,240
but you don't really want to start with

941
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:52,370
that because they've already kind of

942
00:37:57,580 --> 00:37:54,380
poisoned that well a little bit they

943
00:37:59,290 --> 00:37:57,590
being the other side holding onto the

944
00:38:01,450 --> 00:37:59,300
material of science and they'll throw at

945
00:38:03,970 --> 00:38:01,460
you all these reasons we don't really

946
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:03,980
know that they're dead and that's why we

947
00:38:07,390 --> 00:38:05,510
call it near-death and if they're dead

948
00:38:11,950 --> 00:38:07,400
they didn't come back or they'll say

949
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:11,960
when the brain is in that state it still

950
00:38:16,570 --> 00:38:15,050
can record some kind of consciousness as

951
00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:16,580
we've shown at the University of

952
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:18,740
Michigan and the rats who after they

953
00:38:23,110 --> 00:38:21,410
died still had a burst of brain now let

954
00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:23,120
me since I brought it up tell you the

955
00:38:27,970 --> 00:38:26,750
counter to all those arguments of course

956
00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:27,980
let me back up said the near-death

957
00:38:33,070 --> 00:38:29,750
experience everybody knows is this

958
00:38:35,830 --> 00:38:33,080
widely reported phenomenon that after

959
00:38:38,350 --> 00:38:35,840
people die they have an experience a

960
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:38,360
conscious memory of both their dying

961
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:40,190
process but then what happened after

962
00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:41,530
they died

963
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,190
and not only is that a contemporary idea

964
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:48,160
but you can find that in Plato back in

965
00:38:52,380 --> 00:38:50,110
the ancient Greeks you can find it all

966
00:38:54,270 --> 00:38:52,390
through history and through just about

967
00:38:57,060 --> 00:38:54,280
every culture that you can look at which

968
00:39:00,000 --> 00:38:57,070
is also a sign that scientists look at

969
00:39:02,220 --> 00:39:00,010
for a real phenomenon that is spread

970
00:39:04,860 --> 00:39:02,230
across cultures and across time so if

971
00:39:07,230 --> 00:39:04,870
you look at that and then you say okay

972
00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:07,240
are these near-death experiences really

973
00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:09,640
happening we have a couple of reasons to

974
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:11,830
think that they really do happen one is

975
00:39:18,810 --> 00:39:15,850
that people have a continuous conscious

976
00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:18,820
experience from the time they have what

977
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:21,580
typically happens is somebody has a

978
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:22,480
heart attack

979
00:39:28,410 --> 00:39:25,570
or somebody has a car accident and their

980
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:28,420
heart stops and immediately they pop

981
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:30,610
outside their body and they're looking

982
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:33,610
down on their body so at this point we

983
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:35,770
don't know the physical condition of

984
00:39:43,230 --> 00:39:39,400
their brain but what we do know through

985
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:43,240
50 years of work with EEG studies on

986
00:39:49,590 --> 00:39:46,260
animals and humans is that within

987
00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:49,600
usually 10 to 15 seconds but at the most

988
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:53,020
one minute brain activity that we would

989
00:39:58,410 --> 00:39:55,530
associate with a conscious experience

990
00:39:59,940 --> 00:39:58,420
stops and I was careful the way that I

991
00:40:01,440 --> 00:39:59,950
said that because again you got the

992
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,450
University of Michigan and you little

993
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,280
burst and rats and all this other

994
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:05,200
that they throw into just muddy

995
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:08,650
the water all the neurological data all

996
00:40:13,830 --> 00:40:10,810
the neurological research we have

997
00:40:16,110 --> 00:40:13,840
associated with EEG s and other ways of

998
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,120
measuring conscious experience in the

999
00:40:22,530 --> 00:40:18,640
traditional sense suggest that brain

1000
00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:22,540
activity stops within usually 15 seconds

1001
00:40:29,460 --> 00:40:25,540
after the heart stops so if people can

1002
00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:29,470
reliably report conscious experiences

1003
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:32,470
long after their heart has stopped well

1004
00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:34,990
then you got a real problem for science

1005
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:36,940
a real problem for a materialism the

1006
00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:39,310
study I always like to point out to

1007
00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:41,260
people because it kind of handles all

1008
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:43,270
those stupid arguments that people make

1009
00:40:50,010 --> 00:40:46,930
is some research that was done by dr.

1010
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:50,020
penny Satori in the UK and also done by

1011
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:52,810
dr. Jan Holden at University of North

1012
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,210
Texas what they did was really simple

1013
00:41:00,810 --> 00:40:58,240
they took a group of cardiac patients

1014
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:00,820
people who are admitted to the hospital

1015
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:04,089
because their heart is not so good if

1016
00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:05,920
they go to them beforehand and they say

1017
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:09,160
hey you might have a heart attack if you

1018
00:41:12,420 --> 00:41:10,930
do have a heart attack we'd like your

1019
00:41:14,579 --> 00:41:12,430
permission that we're gonna do this

1020
00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:14,589
survey with you so they get people to

1021
00:41:19,859 --> 00:41:17,830
agree to that and then invariably people

1022
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:19,869
have heart attacks when the people have

1023
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,730
heart attacks and they're resuscitated

1024
00:41:25,859 --> 00:41:23,680
they go to them with the survey and the

1025
00:41:28,109 --> 00:41:25,869
survey is really simple it's divided up

1026
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:28,119
into two groups a control group and

1027
00:41:32,849 --> 00:41:30,670
those are people who had the heart

1028
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,859
attack but didn't have a near-death

1029
00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:35,280
experience they don't claim to have any

1030
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,260
near-death experience any memory of what

1031
00:41:42,359 --> 00:41:40,480
happened after they died the other group

1032
00:41:44,730 --> 00:41:42,369
is the group that had a near-death

1033
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:44,740
experience and then they asked them a

1034
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:47,160
series of very simple questions about

1035
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:50,800
their resuscitation they say hey do you

1036
00:41:56,130 --> 00:41:53,440
recall your resuscitation now you have

1037
00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:56,140
to know that in most modern hospitals

1038
00:42:00,900 --> 00:41:58,680
contrary to what you see on TV

1039
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,910
resuscitation and the paddles and all

1040
00:42:05,250 --> 00:42:02,800
the rest that stuff doesn't happen for

1041
00:42:08,490 --> 00:42:05,260
and the average one to two minutes after

1042
00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:08,500
their heart stops so again we're outside

1043
00:42:12,329 --> 00:42:10,630
of that window when there should be any

1044
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,339
brain activity when the resuscitation

1045
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,800
starts so they go and they start asking

1046
00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:17,040
these people what was the resuscitation

1047
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:19,780
process like and they have specific

1048
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:21,250
questions and they asked the control

1049
00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:22,720
group that didn't have a near-death

1050
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:24,550
experience and they say what are you

1051
00:42:28,290 --> 00:42:26,650
talking about I was dead I don't

1052
00:42:29,940 --> 00:42:28,300
remember anything and they said well

1053
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:29,950
just do your best what do you think and

1054
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:32,650
they wind up answering with this stuff

1055
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:34,930
that sounds like a TV movie you know oh

1056
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:36,910
well then they came over at the paddles

1057
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:38,650
and you know this and that happened and

1058
00:42:42,690 --> 00:42:40,630
then they asked the other group and the

1059
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:42,700
other group says oh no I'll tell you

1060
00:42:46,770 --> 00:42:44,890
exactly what happened as a matter of

1061
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,780
fact there weren't any paddles they

1062
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:48,640
started doing compressions on my chest

1063
00:42:52,290 --> 00:42:50,680
but the nurse wasn't big enough so she

1064
00:42:54,420 --> 00:42:52,300
called over this other doctor and then

1065
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,430
he took over and Shima went around and

1066
00:42:58,050 --> 00:42:55,839
put something on my head and they did

1067
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,060
this but I remember that the nurse had

1068
00:43:02,220 --> 00:43:00,640
this strange clip hanging off the side

1069
00:43:05,130 --> 00:43:02,230
of her thing they're given all these

1070
00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:05,140
details right that the control group

1071
00:43:12,030 --> 00:43:08,950
doesn't have so one small study

1072
00:43:13,730 --> 00:43:12,040
one small example that blows away and

1073
00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:13,740
again this is published peer-reviewed

1074
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,000
journal it's academic by scientists PhDs

1075
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:22,000
who know what they're doing and when you

1076
00:43:27,780 --> 00:43:23,710
have survival of consciousness after

1077
00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:27,790
death it completely closes the case we

1078
00:43:30,510 --> 00:43:28,630
could talk about self-directed

1079
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:30,520
neuroplasticity we can talk about

1080
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:33,010
epigenetics we can talk about a million

1081
00:43:36,990 --> 00:43:34,720
other things but that near-death

1082
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:37,000
experience science like I just described

1083
00:43:42,569 --> 00:43:39,609
its case closed it was really no reason

1084
00:43:44,310 --> 00:43:42,579
to come go on after that right yeah I'm

1085
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:44,320
so glad you did tell that and it makes

1086
00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:46,210
sense because if you're going along in

1087
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:48,430
your vehicle and your car battery dies

1088
00:43:52,290 --> 00:43:51,190
or the tank runs out of gas you open

1089
00:43:54,210 --> 00:43:52,300
your door and you get out of the

1090
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:54,220
driver's seat yeah so you know if

1091
00:43:59,760 --> 00:43:57,520
consciousness is kind of the true us in

1092
00:44:01,560 --> 00:43:59,770
this vehicle of a meat body it just

1093
00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:01,570
seems like that's the no-brainer that's

1094
00:44:05,339 --> 00:44:02,980
just how it happens of course a little

1095
00:44:07,620 --> 00:44:05,349
more automatic in the case of

1096
00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:07,630
consciousness but I can see the

1097
00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:09,750
similarities and I really love that

1098
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:12,550
you're able to get some people on that

1099
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:14,290
not only can confirm this kind of

1100
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:16,329
research but also ones who still deny it

1101
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,450
and I have to be honest initially I was

1102
00:44:23,609 --> 00:44:21,520
hesitant to listen to skeptic oh because

1103
00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:23,619
of the name I was like oh this is that

1104
00:44:28,109 --> 00:44:26,200
Michael Shermer skeptics society

1105
00:44:29,849 --> 00:44:28,119
I've heard enough of this but then

1106
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:29,859
of course it's completely different than

1107
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:33,010
that and I really think that name works

1108
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:34,450
to your advantage because some

1109
00:44:37,890 --> 00:44:35,920
researchers who just think of it as

1110
00:44:39,569 --> 00:44:37,900
another media appearance they might not

1111
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:39,579
dig any deeper and they have completely

1112
00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:41,770
conventional research and they go on a

1113
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,920
show called skeptic Oh to make their

1114
00:44:48,809 --> 00:44:46,720
points and they're confronted with the

1115
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:48,819
lion's den and I just think that's so

1116
00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:50,530
great maybe if I called my show the

1117
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:52,329
consensus side schatz i could have some

1118
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,010
of those conversations too but they just

1119
00:44:57,870 --> 00:44:56,800
won't come and talk to me could I just

1120
00:45:00,450 --> 00:44:57,880
tell you something there because it's

1121
00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:00,460
kind of a funny story yeah the name

1122
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:04,180
skeptic Oh came about because you know I

1123
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:06,130
started this thing really early on and I

1124
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:08,650
was kind of looking at these skeptics

1125
00:45:13,260 --> 00:45:11,230
and I wanted to understand if they

1126
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:13,270
really had a position because I thought

1127
00:45:19,170 --> 00:45:16,569
there was this other side to this but I

1128
00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:19,180
was much more open to their being a real

1129
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:22,440
genuine argument there but anyways this

1130
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:24,780
chronicity story is I was kind of hung

1131
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:26,609
up on The Skeptical thing and I'm a

1132
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:28,260
genuine skeptic I really don't know what

1133
00:45:33,380 --> 00:45:31,380
I believe so I have this Greek American

1134
00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:33,390
background and I found this skeptic oh I

1135
00:45:37,069 --> 00:45:34,980
found that there were this group of

1136
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:37,079
thinkers in ancient Greece and they

1137
00:45:40,819 --> 00:45:39,359
questioned everything so I was a great I

1138
00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:40,829
don't even look any further I just plug

1139
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:42,839
it in the DNS search okay it's available

1140
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:46,650
grab it you know skeptic Oh with kko not

1141
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:49,470
until five years later do I say you know

1142
00:45:55,819 --> 00:45:53,130
I at least understand what these guys

1143
00:45:57,980 --> 00:45:55,829
were all about this is five years later

1144
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:57,990
you know I'm not super on the ball on

1145
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:00,180
this thing mm-hmm I read this one

1146
00:46:06,140 --> 00:46:03,000
sentence that stuck with me forever

1147
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:06,150
it's these philosophers and ancient

1148
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:10,560
Greece who followed the idea of inquiry

1149
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:15,930
to perpetuate doubt mm Wow is that

1150
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:19,500
beautiful inquiry to perpetuate doubt

1151
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:21,450
and to me that has meaning on so many

1152
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:23,730
different levels but isn't that where we

1153
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:27,180
want to be perpetuating doubt not

1154
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:29,940
knowing not coming down for sure not

1155
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:32,910
saying everything's decided because the

1156
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:35,250
deeper we get into this I'm sure you'd

1157
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:38,130
agree it only generates more questions

1158
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,170
we have a sense of knowing about the

1159
00:46:45,020 --> 00:46:41,760
direction we're headed and it's kind of

1160
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:45,030
good but the spiritual process is that

1161
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:47,310
process of doubt baby it's perpetual

1162
00:46:53,180 --> 00:46:50,460
doubt yeah man and I do like that story

1163
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:53,190
you're right skeptic has kind of been a

1164
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:54,960
term that has changed its meaning or

1165
00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:56,010
means different things to different

1166
00:47:01,339 --> 00:46:59,099
people but that interpretation of being

1167
00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:01,349
skeptical of the official narrative is

1168
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:03,540
the important aspect and I think that

1169
00:47:07,579 --> 00:47:05,730
that's kind of the definition that's in

1170
00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:07,589
the background for a lot of people these

1171
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:09,960
days and one more point about the

1172
00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:11,130
near-death experience I was going to

1173
00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:13,020
make is that it's great that some

1174
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:15,480
doctors and scientists are open to start

1175
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:16,920
talking about what's happening on the

1176
00:47:20,809 --> 00:47:18,900
operating table of these people but what

1177
00:47:23,569 --> 00:47:20,819
they don't want to talk about very much

1178
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:23,579
is that almost without exception these

1179
00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:25,020
people even though they see their own

1180
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:26,670
resuscitation they're also greeted by

1181
00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:29,160
spirits and given messages about life

1182
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:32,790
that sound a lot like the UFO contactees

1183
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:34,740
messages that they get wouldn't you

1184
00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:39,950
say yes and no I mean more yes than no

1185
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:43,350
have you ever ran across ray Hernandez

1186
00:47:48,850 --> 00:47:46,830
and the free group the foundation for

1187
00:47:51,730 --> 00:47:48,860
research into extraterrestrial

1188
00:47:54,140 --> 00:47:51,740
experience I don't think so actually

1189
00:47:56,180 --> 00:47:54,150
interesting guy I'll have to hook you up

1190
00:47:59,780 --> 00:47:56,190
with him because they're the first

1191
00:48:01,760 --> 00:47:59,790
people to really do solid research and

1192
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:01,770
they have some really heavy hitter

1193
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,440
research dr. Leo sprinkle I think he was

1194
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:07,040
at Harvard but I mean he's like 30 years

1195
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:09,210
PhD researcher but they put together a

1196
00:48:13,310 --> 00:48:10,770
very good serve and they kind of asked

1197
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:13,320
the extended consciousness questions and

1198
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:17,010
the data set they got back is very very

1199
00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:19,010
close to what you're saying is that

1200
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:22,560
contrary to the way the abduction

1201
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:25,530
quote-unquote experience has been spun

1202
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,430
it really looks more like a spiritual

1203
00:48:34,540 --> 00:48:31,920
experience like we'd associate with a

1204
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:34,550
near-death experience or other

1205
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:37,560
extraordinary spiritual experiences like

1206
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:39,810
people have with psychedelics not all

1207
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:42,210
the time but you get the idea a lot of

1208
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:44,850
commonality in these extended

1209
00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:46,920
consciousness spiritual experiences just

1210
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:48,840
like you said yeah I mean there's just

1211
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:51,210
so much connective tissue between all

1212
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:52,890
the things that are in the quarantined

1213
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:54,930
box and I think that's just so

1214
00:48:59,180 --> 00:48:57,210
fascinating that they're connected in

1215
00:49:02,180 --> 00:48:59,190
some way Thea matically to say the least

1216
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:02,190
and back to that point about skeptic oh

1217
00:49:06,980 --> 00:49:04,170
and its initial meaning or its original

1218
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:06,990
definition of rejecting the official

1219
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:09,210
narrative it's like where are the

1220
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:12,180
scientists that are going against the

1221
00:49:14,990 --> 00:49:13,200
official narrative they're like

1222
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,000
non-existent there should be scientists

1223
00:49:20,180 --> 00:49:17,520
out there doing GMO glice efface studies

1224
00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:20,190
they should be going through the what

1225
00:49:24,349 --> 00:49:22,140
seventy vaccines we give the children

1226
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:24,359
and double-checking the CDC's work they

1227
00:49:28,099 --> 00:49:26,040
should be testing chemtrails or even

1228
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:28,109
cellphones and it's like the entire

1229
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:30,510
scientific community doesn't challenge a

1230
00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:32,970
damn thing or ever test anything it's

1231
00:49:39,620 --> 00:49:36,780
just 100% blind consensus out there well

1232
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:39,630
that's why I referenced dr. Henry Bauer

1233
00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:43,200
in his books in his research because not

1234
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:44,670
disagreeing with anything you're saying

1235
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:46,770
it's all that and worse

1236
00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:49,140
adding the understanding of the

1237
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:52,560
economics that are involved and the

1238
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:55,110
dynamics of promotion and all that you

1239
00:49:59,330 --> 00:49:56,940
know when I started this many years ago

1240
00:50:02,120 --> 00:49:59,340
I was at the University of Arizona and I

1241
00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:02,130
was getting a PhD because I had worked

1242
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:03,540
for a couple of years out in the

1243
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:07,140
workforce and the only thing I was able

1244
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:09,000
to figure out as I sure as didn't

1245
00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:10,770
want to do that you know and all the

1246
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:12,660
people who were above me I was like I'm

1247
00:50:18,770 --> 00:50:15,090
gonna turn into that no way you

1248
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:18,780
know I'll go back I'll get a PhD I can

1249
00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:20,610
hang around campuses all the beautiful

1250
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:23,190
girls just young growth you think you're

1251
00:50:26,570 --> 00:50:24,690
thinking when you're in your twenties of

1252
00:50:28,730 --> 00:50:26,580
course I'll just do that be easy life

1253
00:50:30,830 --> 00:50:28,740
all the rest so I went back and found it

1254
00:50:33,620 --> 00:50:30,840
to be just as bullshitty

1255
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:33,630
as the corporate money chasing world

1256
00:50:37,070 --> 00:50:35,610
that didn't last long but it propelled

1257
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:37,080
me to start a company and I started a

1258
00:50:42,130 --> 00:50:39,420
company based on some AI technology I

1259
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:42,140
had been working on and it was a long

1260
00:50:48,050 --> 00:50:45,660
road of of misery and pain and many many

1261
00:50:50,270 --> 00:50:48,060
mistakes but eventually it came out for

1262
00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:50,280
me but I guess what I learned in that

1263
00:50:56,270 --> 00:50:53,400
whole thing about academics is that it's

1264
00:50:59,240 --> 00:50:56,280
a different game than what we think

1265
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,250
they're off in their own little world

1266
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:01,200
like we always hear about in their ivory

1267
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:03,510
tower and there's the infighting and

1268
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:05,850
there's the change of focus and just

1269
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:08,730
following the cheese I don't think it's

1270
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,940
quite as back to this thing of you know

1271
00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:13,680
are they being directed or are they just

1272
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:15,900
kind of useful idiots who are being kind

1273
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:18,570
of led by the nose and I think many many

1274
00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:21,510
more useful idiots I mean pick any one

1275
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:24,270
of those topics and we'd have that kind

1276
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:26,280
of discussion mm-hmm I'm with you man

1277
00:51:30,820 --> 00:51:28,110
you like vaccines you know I mean

1278
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:30,830
vaccines I mean are they sitting around

1279
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,540
doing that or they just go oh here's the

1280
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:35,280
next research we're supposed to do just

1281
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:37,710
do it don't question you know the

1282
00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:40,500
underlying assumptions we're making just

1283
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:42,540
do what they told us to do you know test

1284
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:45,480
it this way right never mind that it's

1285
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:47,970
not being administered that way or never

1286
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:51,930
mind that we're giving 11 year old girls

1287
00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:54,810
this vaccine that only protects them for

1288
00:51:59,380 --> 00:51:58,140
five years of sex related cervical

1289
00:52:02,170 --> 00:51:59,390
cancer and

1290
00:52:03,519 --> 00:52:02,180
accounts for smalls ball presented to

1291
00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:03,529
people who will be sexually active

1292
00:52:07,809 --> 00:52:05,900
during that you never mind that just do

1293
00:52:11,769 --> 00:52:07,819
what they told us to do and that's it

1294
00:52:13,569 --> 00:52:11,779
don't question it yeah man and Wow this

1295
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:13,579
has been great you know you said so many

1296
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:16,640
kind things about me and THC and I

1297
00:52:22,029 --> 00:52:19,730
really do love skeptic oh not only do

1298
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:22,039
you squeeze a lot out of guests like

1299
00:52:26,019 --> 00:52:24,410
Stanton Friedman and Michael - sorry on

1300
00:52:28,359 --> 00:52:26,029
a couple recent shows you did but also

1301
00:52:31,569 --> 00:52:28,369
those ones where you are more combative

1302
00:52:35,769 --> 00:52:31,579
like the dr. Churchland interview and

1303
00:52:38,349 --> 00:52:35,779
the one you did with the evolutionary

1304
00:52:40,809 --> 00:52:38,359
guy professor Michael Flannery

1305
00:52:43,299 --> 00:52:40,819
uh-huh yeah those those are just great

1306
00:52:45,970 --> 00:52:43,309
so you really have almost like two shows

1307
00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:45,980
two different ways of doing the

1308
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:47,750
interviews you do and I just think that

1309
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,910
they really are fascinating and again

1310
00:52:53,769 --> 00:52:51,440
the biggest criticism I get is not

1311
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:53,779
challenging guests enough and I just

1312
00:52:58,359 --> 00:52:56,210
love the way you do it with a smile

1313
00:52:59,950 --> 00:52:58,369
still and just based on the data you

1314
00:53:02,109 --> 00:52:59,960
don't get into emotional arguments

1315
00:53:04,210 --> 00:53:02,119
you're like hey look at this you got a

1316
00:53:06,670 --> 00:53:04,220
look at it and I just think it's such a

1317
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:06,680
great way to be and as we're winding

1318
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:08,690
down you know I love a guest who does

1319
00:53:15,549 --> 00:53:12,410
know me and th see quite well because

1320
00:53:17,650 --> 00:53:15,559
you are so opinionated I feel like I can

1321
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:17,660
take it as well and these things do make

1322
00:53:23,049 --> 00:53:20,240
us better what would you say are the

1323
00:53:25,029 --> 00:53:23,059
things you like least about THC what do

1324
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:25,039
I do here that just makes you roll your

1325
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:27,170
eyes and cringe and want to turn it off

1326
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:33,049
oh well that's tough I mean what I do I

1327
00:53:36,339 --> 00:53:34,609
don't know this is a direct response to

1328
00:53:39,549 --> 00:53:36,349
that but what I do and I think most

1329
00:53:42,789 --> 00:53:39,559
people do with my show too is I pick the

1330
00:53:45,609 --> 00:53:42,799
guests that I want to listen to and I

1331
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:45,619
think that's okay you know so I guess

1332
00:53:52,269 --> 00:53:50,000
the more work you put into selecting

1333
00:53:55,180 --> 00:53:52,279
guests that really make a contribution

1334
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:55,190
to this body a knowledge that where we

1335
00:54:01,120 --> 00:53:57,920
can really learn something then that's

1336
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:01,130
when I really get excited about THC if I

1337
00:54:06,789 --> 00:54:04,490
feel like it's a show that I've heard

1338
00:54:10,029 --> 00:54:06,799
before or that isn't adding anything new

1339
00:54:11,529 --> 00:54:10,039
to the body analogy I'm gonna have then

1340
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:11,539
you know I just got to move on because

1341
00:54:14,740 --> 00:54:13,250
we're doing great shows

1342
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:14,750
there are too many great episodes I

1343
00:54:18,130 --> 00:54:16,250
haven't listened to all the episodes of

1344
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:18,140
THD so I'm just going on to the next

1345
00:54:23,050 --> 00:54:20,570
episode so does that get you know was

1346
00:54:26,020 --> 00:54:23,060
the guest selection I think is just so

1347
00:54:28,750 --> 00:54:26,030
so key yeah I definitely think that's

1348
00:54:30,940 --> 00:54:28,760
fair and there might be a filler guess

1349
00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:30,950
once in a while of course and you had

1350
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:32,180
written to me that you agree with about

1351
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:35,930
40% of THC and really disagree with

1352
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:38,450
about 10% can you elaborate on what

1353
00:54:46,210 --> 00:54:41,690
material or topics fit into if not both

1354
00:54:49,090 --> 00:54:46,220
categories at least that 10% they really

1355
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:49,100
gonna put me put me in the on the spot

1356
00:54:54,370 --> 00:54:50,510
trying to give you a taste here on

1357
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:54,380
medicine man take for example Joseph

1358
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:57,440
Farah mmm I love him I think he's great

1359
00:55:04,990 --> 00:55:01,760
I think his Nazi Roswell thing is absurd

1360
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:05,000
and I don't know why he persists with

1361
00:55:09,340 --> 00:55:07,490
this other than he's had this idea out

1362
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:09,350
there for a while and you know we just

1363
00:55:15,250 --> 00:55:12,290
can't back off of it take Chris Knowles

1364
00:55:17,050 --> 00:55:15,260
I really like crystals I mean I really

1365
00:55:18,370 --> 00:55:17,060
like him he's been on the show and it's

1366
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:18,380
gonna be on the show a bunch of other

1367
00:55:25,170 --> 00:55:20,510
times and some of the information he has

1368
00:55:28,810 --> 00:55:25,180
is super important in terms of this

1369
00:55:32,110 --> 00:55:28,820
synchronistic symbology kind of thing

1370
00:55:34,060 --> 00:55:32,120
that people are into but he's a 40% you

1371
00:55:36,670 --> 00:55:34,070
know don't go too far with that stuff it

1372
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:36,680
just kind of falls apart when you really

1373
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:38,810
push it too far and I'm always trying to

1374
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:42,020
like rein it in man I really enjoyed the

1375
00:55:47,290 --> 00:55:44,570
show that I did on astrology

1376
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:47,300
because you know the drill a listener

1377
00:55:51,820 --> 00:55:49,280
sent me a request and said hey there's

1378
00:55:55,870 --> 00:55:51,830
this guest you should really interview

1379
00:55:59,890 --> 00:55:55,880
her name is Renee Allsop and she is the

1380
00:56:02,590 --> 00:55:59,900
Julie by shal of astrology now dr. Julie

1381
00:56:06,370 --> 00:56:02,600
by shal is the best medium researcher in

1382
00:56:08,770 --> 00:56:06,380
the world PhD in pharmacology completely

1383
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:08,780
tuned into how to run a controlled study

1384
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:11,450
has applied that on mediumship talking

1385
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:13,850
to spirits and has concrete proof that

1386
00:56:18,580 --> 00:56:16,400
these things really happen right that's

1387
00:56:20,890 --> 00:56:18,590
her thing so my ears are perked up when

1388
00:56:24,820 --> 00:56:20,900
this guy says hey this woman has done

1389
00:56:26,740 --> 00:56:24,830
this quality of research on astrology so

1390
00:56:28,330 --> 00:56:26,750
I look at it sure enough she's published

1391
00:56:30,430 --> 00:56:28,340
the Journal of scientific exploration

1392
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:30,440
which I know is a really hard journal

1393
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:31,850
that you get into if you have a

1394
00:56:34,900 --> 00:56:33,650
peer-reviewed journal in there I've been

1395
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:34,910
interviewed many guests who have they

1396
00:56:37,540 --> 00:56:36,170
said it's the hardest journal they've

1397
00:56:39,580 --> 00:56:37,550
ever had to get into among all the ones

1398
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:39,590
they did so I'm all on board with doing

1399
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:41,420
this and I'll make this shirt because

1400
00:56:46,330 --> 00:56:43,910
we're kind of wrapping it up but we set

1401
00:56:49,150 --> 00:56:46,340
up the interview and we set it up as a

1402
00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:49,160
two-parter first part you're gonna do an

1403
00:56:53,830 --> 00:56:51,350
astrology reading for me and second part

1404
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,840
where we talk about your research we do

1405
00:56:59,830 --> 00:56:55,760
the first part the astrology reading

1406
00:57:01,600 --> 00:56:59,840
it's a bomb she's totally off I'm like

1407
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,610
hey that's no problem you know I've done

1408
00:57:05,980 --> 00:57:03,680
a ton of these medium readings on the

1409
00:57:08,620 --> 00:57:05,990
air and stuff like that it's hit or miss

1410
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:08,630
I get it and she's like no they're not I

1411
00:57:15,940 --> 00:57:13,040
am 95% accurate and I'm like no one's

1412
00:57:18,370 --> 00:57:15,950
95 percent that's not real

1413
00:57:20,620 --> 00:57:18,380
that's not how this stuff works so it

1414
00:57:23,650 --> 00:57:20,630
turned into this really interesting

1415
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:23,660
interplay people can listen to the full

1416
00:57:29,170 --> 00:57:26,450
interview but at the end she came on and

1417
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:29,180
she has fantastic research that would

1418
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:31,850
lead one to conclude that there is a

1419
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:34,970
reality to astrology but on the other

1420
00:57:39,070 --> 00:57:37,310
hand the astrological readings and

1421
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:39,080
predictions and like you got that guy on

1422
00:57:45,070 --> 00:57:41,710
there doing it I don't think that really

1423
00:57:46,810 --> 00:57:45,080
that's a ten percenter there but we're

1424
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:46,820
gonna know what's gonna happen next

1425
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:49,610
quarter because somebody read the chart

1426
00:57:53,740 --> 00:57:51,890
of the United States or the world or

1427
00:57:56,380 --> 00:57:53,750
anything like that that's at the ten

1428
00:57:57,970 --> 00:57:56,390
percent category for me okay okay I

1429
00:57:59,680 --> 00:57:57,980
think there's something to it I really

1430
00:58:02,170 --> 00:57:59,690
do think we're kind of in some cosmic

1431
00:58:05,230 --> 00:58:02,180
grandfather clock and that divination in

1432
00:58:07,330 --> 00:58:05,240
multiple forms seems to work if there's

1433
00:58:08,740 --> 00:58:07,340
a long enough history of it maybe

1434
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:08,750
because we're in some type of simulation

1435
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:11,090
or it's a rule the game I don't know I I

1436
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:12,710
definitely agree it's not a hundred

1437
00:58:18,750 --> 00:58:15,920
percent for sure and I got to let you go

1438
00:58:21,610 --> 00:58:18,760
but maybe one more thing related to

1439
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:21,620
guest selection or really just to give a

1440
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:23,450
nod to the good guys you've mentioned

1441
00:58:28,270 --> 00:58:25,790
several but who are the leaders we

1442
00:58:31,090 --> 00:58:28,280
should look for and plug for bucking the

1443
00:58:32,890 --> 00:58:31,100
system yet also stain academic and

1444
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:32,900
scholarly who are your top people out

1445
00:58:37,220 --> 00:58:36,050
there right now mmm boy that's a tough

1446
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:37,230
one

1447
00:58:42,980 --> 00:58:40,260
I really like Joe Atwell who you just

1448
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:42,990
recently interviewed you know I like him

1449
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,210
cuz everybody hates him not everybody

1450
00:58:49,849 --> 00:58:47,760
hates him but when you go online this is

1451
00:58:52,220 --> 00:58:49,859
like the quintessential sceptical moment

1452
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:52,230
for me there's two of them one you

1453
00:58:58,010 --> 00:58:54,650
interview Joe at well and he says hey

1454
00:59:00,740 --> 00:58:58,020
Christianity is a controversy of the

1455
00:59:02,780 --> 00:59:00,750
Romans and he goes too far with that

1456
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:02,790
theory but along the way he takes you

1457
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:05,130
with some really solid that will

1458
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:08,130
totally undermine anyone who has this

1459
00:59:12,380 --> 00:59:10,650
belief in the Bible or Christianity the

1460
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:12,390
way it's been told it doesn't undermine

1461
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:14,310
the underlying spiritual truth that

1462
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:17,520
might be there but it sure undermines

1463
00:59:21,859 --> 00:59:19,710
the story but then you look at what

1464
00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:21,869
people are saying about Joe at well like

1465
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:23,700
I did not interview these people some of

1466
00:59:31,940 --> 00:59:26,250
the top biblical scholars you know who

1467
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,950
our carrier and price and Bart airman no

1468
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:33,119
one knows these names were biblical

1469
00:59:37,460 --> 00:59:35,490
scholar at Duke and ILI's are obscure

1470
00:59:39,020 --> 00:59:37,470
fields but I'm digging into this stuff

1471
00:59:42,170 --> 00:59:39,030
I'm talking these people I'm having on

1472
00:59:43,940 --> 00:59:42,180
the show and one by one they're falling

1473
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:43,950
they put up a good front and they're

1474
00:59:48,260 --> 00:59:45,720
saying they got their together and

1475
00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:48,270
they're falling like frickin dominoes

1476
00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:51,000
and they're having to admit that oh well

1477
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:52,859
yeah I'm just saying he's going too far

1478
00:59:57,650 --> 00:59:55,680
but yeah I guess the Bible is pro room

1479
00:59:59,840 --> 00:59:57,660
and I guess mark does have all the

1480
01:00:01,520 --> 00:59:59,850
footprints of Josephus on it you know

1481
01:00:03,590 --> 01:00:01,530
the fundamental issues that people

1482
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:03,600
should really care about these guys are

1483
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,960
having to back off of their publicly

1484
01:00:14,270 --> 01:00:09,119
stated things that's the kind of stuff

1485
01:00:16,099 --> 01:00:14,280
that gets me fired up because for people

1486
01:00:19,310 --> 01:00:16,109
who are Christian it's a game changer

1487
01:00:22,070 --> 01:00:19,320
and here's a guy who's withstood all

1488
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:22,080
this public criticism who on the

1489
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:24,330
Internet is just single all the comments

1490
01:00:28,580 --> 01:00:26,010
I'm I think all this guy's been debunked

1491
01:00:31,609 --> 01:00:28,590
so many times it's like no you haven't

1492
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:31,619
looked far enough he hasn't been to dunk

1493
01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:34,410
so he'd be won another one of my

1494
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:36,990
favorites is I mentioned dr. Jeff long

1495
01:00:40,849 --> 01:00:39,090
and just a quick story about him that

1496
01:00:42,349 --> 01:00:40,859
she's the other quintessential skeptical

1497
01:00:45,620 --> 01:00:42,359
moment I always remember talking to Jeff

1498
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,630
it was this top-notch NDE near-death

1499
01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:48,000
experience researcher and he talked

1500
01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:51,240
about helping this other research

1501
01:00:54,890 --> 01:00:52,710
who was a skeptic of near-death

1502
01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:54,900
experience but Jeff helped him all along

1503
01:01:00,140 --> 01:00:57,000
the research let him use some of his

1504
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:00,150
data and then Jeff read the guy's paper

1505
01:01:03,110 --> 01:01:02,490
when he was done and not to get too

1506
01:01:05,810 --> 01:01:03,120
techie

1507
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:05,820
but the guy had concluded that NDEs will

1508
01:01:10,430 --> 01:01:08,250
remand you know when you're sleeping the

1509
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:10,440
REM cycle all this kind of stuff but

1510
01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:10,770
anyways

1511
01:01:17,740 --> 01:01:13,950
Jeff's reading it he goes

1512
01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:17,750
he's right oh my god I've been wrong I

1513
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:20,190
put all my effort into this and I'm

1514
01:01:24,050 --> 01:01:22,650
wrong he's right and then he kind of

1515
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:24,060
gathers himself and he takes a little

1516
01:01:28,850 --> 01:01:25,890
bit deep wrinkles they wait a minute

1517
01:01:30,410 --> 01:01:28,860
he didn't control for that and oh no he

1518
01:01:33,110 --> 01:01:30,420
did this and oh he made that assumption

1519
01:01:35,090 --> 01:01:33,120
oh no he's not right he's way off he's

1520
01:01:38,180 --> 01:01:35,100
really fiddled with the data but that

1521
01:01:41,540 --> 01:01:38,190
moment when a guy is willing to say oh

1522
01:01:42,050 --> 01:01:41,550
I'm wrong that to me is what it's

1523
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:42,060
all about

1524
01:01:46,220 --> 01:01:44,010
if you're not open to play in that game

1525
01:01:48,620 --> 01:01:46,230
then you're playing some other game that

1526
01:01:50,030 --> 01:01:48,630
I don't understand cuz I want to just

1527
01:01:52,580 --> 01:01:50,040
try and nudge a little bit closer to the

1528
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:52,590
truth and in the process I have to risk

1529
01:01:57,740 --> 01:01:56,160
being wrong all the time because I am

1530
01:01:59,810 --> 01:01:57,750
gonna be wrong and I probably said about

1531
01:02:01,160 --> 01:01:59,820
10 things in this episode that you know

1532
01:02:03,020 --> 01:02:01,170
you're gonna talk about here for now go

1533
01:02:04,490 --> 01:02:03,030
oh yeah I was just up I didn't

1534
01:02:07,010 --> 01:02:04,500
know what I was talking about but I

1535
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:07,020
think that's the edge that run well I

1536
01:02:11,900 --> 01:02:09,930
think that is a great story for sure and

1537
01:02:13,940 --> 01:02:11,910
it does just kind of point out there's

1538
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:13,950
many many layers to this stuff and we

1539
01:02:19,220 --> 01:02:15,570
really need to be careful about what we

1540
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:19,230
think we know or what data or studies or

1541
01:02:23,420 --> 01:02:21,690
websites we just blindly trust because

1542
01:02:25,730 --> 01:02:23,430
there's just so many different little

1543
01:02:27,650 --> 01:02:25,740
nuances to how something can go one way

1544
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:27,660
or a conclusion can come out the other

1545
01:02:31,460 --> 01:02:30,240
way and you just gotta be careful even

1546
01:02:33,260 --> 01:02:31,470
when it's not necessarily

1547
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:33,270
ill-intentioned like it didn't seem that

1548
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:35,040
in that case necessarily it's just more

1549
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:37,530
about being stuck in a paradigm but also

1550
01:02:40,940 --> 01:02:39,450
with Joe out well got a thank you for

1551
01:02:42,590 --> 01:02:40,950
hooking us up you know that wouldn't

1552
01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:42,600
have happened if you hadn't made the

1553
01:02:45,860 --> 01:02:44,220
connection I don't think and I think it

1554
01:02:49,070 --> 01:02:45,870
really turned into a good episode but

1555
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:49,080
either way man this has been a hell of a

1556
01:02:53,780 --> 01:02:51,690
ride I really enjoyed it I consider you

1557
01:02:55,970 --> 01:02:53,790
an inspiration I really loved the show

1558
01:02:57,170 --> 01:02:55,980
you do remind people where to find it

1559
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:57,180
and anything else they should know about

1560
01:03:02,330 --> 01:02:59,520
keeping up with your work wow that's

1561
01:03:04,130 --> 01:03:02,340
super nice you to say Greg it's easy to

1562
01:03:04,849 --> 01:03:04,140
find you just have to spell skeptic Oh

1563
01:03:09,859 --> 01:03:04,859
with a can

1564
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:09,869
ske PTI ko and then the book why science

1565
01:03:13,940 --> 01:03:12,690
is wrong about almost everything you

1566
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:13,950
know that's it we're just out there

1567
01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:16,410
doing the doing the thing you know I

1568
01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:18,839
like we do you know the five casting

1569
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:21,089
things so any ideas people have about

1570
01:03:26,539 --> 01:03:23,130
who they'd like to hear and who's in

1571
01:03:29,479 --> 01:03:26,549
that science consciousness realm I'd

1572
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:29,489
love to hear about it right on cheers to

1573
01:03:33,170 --> 01:03:29,880
that

1574
01:03:34,849 --> 01:03:33,180
well awesome again big thanks to you for

1575
01:03:37,609 --> 01:03:34,859
taking the time and the kind words

1576
01:03:40,930 --> 01:03:37,619
you've said about me and THC keep doing

1577
01:03:44,650 --> 01:03:40,940
what you do okay Greg take care

1578
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:44,660
and boom goes the dynamite people big

1579
01:03:49,569 --> 01:03:46,970
thanks to Alex I'm really happy to know

1580
01:03:51,819 --> 01:03:49,579
that guy you might remember I mentioned

1581
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:51,829
in a show a few weeks back that I wanted

1582
01:03:56,859 --> 01:03:53,839
to incorporate a little more skeptical

1583
01:03:59,230 --> 01:03:56,869
into the higher side and by that I

1584
01:04:00,760 --> 01:03:59,240
really mean having on specifically some

1585
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:00,770
of these researchers who are looking

1586
01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:02,770
into consciousness inside research

1587
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:05,480
people who compile stories of

1588
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:07,760
out-of-body experiences and hospitals

1589
01:04:13,359 --> 01:04:10,640
people who compile stories of kids who

1590
01:04:15,550 --> 01:04:13,369
remember past lives if we want to get

1591
01:04:17,859 --> 01:04:15,560
out of the conspiracy trenches a little

1592
01:04:20,859 --> 01:04:17,869
bit from time to time more often than we

1593
01:04:22,450 --> 01:04:20,869
have lately I think that these are some

1594
01:04:25,630 --> 01:04:22,460
of the other things we talked about and

1595
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:25,640
I just don't go to those areas for guest

1596
01:04:30,849 --> 01:04:28,250
material as often as I'm starting to

1597
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:30,859
think that I should just like sometimes

1598
01:04:36,339 --> 01:04:33,890
we talk about Secret Sciences and Tesla

1599
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:36,349
tech and Thomas Townsend Browns flying

1600
01:04:41,260 --> 01:04:38,569
machines but I don't go to those

1601
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:41,270
conferences or go over those speaker

1602
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:43,609
line ups for guests either but that

1603
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:45,440
would probably be another unique and

1604
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:47,680
exciting area to get into more and

1605
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:50,630
really of all the pools I tend to pull

1606
01:04:55,780 --> 01:04:53,690
from podcasting the least but of course

1607
01:04:58,450 --> 01:04:55,790
Alex is an exception and he was well

1608
01:05:01,300 --> 01:04:58,460
overdue and if you haven't heard skeptic

1609
01:05:04,569 --> 01:05:01,310
oh you can definitely rely on it to be

1610
01:05:06,430 --> 01:05:04,579
high-quality he also has no ads and

1611
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:06,440
always gets right into the topic with a

1612
01:05:11,230 --> 01:05:08,450
great all-encompassing overview

1613
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:11,240
introduction and he's very unique and

1614
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:13,490
that this is a straight passion project

1615
01:05:19,030 --> 01:05:16,910
in every sense of the word yeah THC is a

1616
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:19,040
passion project for me but it's also a

1617
01:05:24,460 --> 01:05:22,490
job and I have to manage it as both but

1618
01:05:27,069 --> 01:05:24,470
for Alex it's just all for the love of

1619
01:05:29,530 --> 01:05:27,079
the game and that adds an element to

1620
01:05:31,690 --> 01:05:29,540
what makes the show so good and why he

1621
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:31,700
does push the more stubborn guests more

1622
01:05:36,670 --> 01:05:34,130
than other hosts would because that

1623
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:36,680
exploration is the point if you can't

1624
01:05:40,510 --> 01:05:38,450
get out of the paradigm on skeptic Oh

1625
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:40,520
what are you even doing there he doesn't

1626
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:42,530
really care about being another softball

1627
01:05:48,910 --> 01:05:44,810
interview in your lineup of media rounds

1628
01:05:51,309 --> 01:05:48,920
he doesn't have to do this so check it

1629
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:51,319
out I mean he's a good-natured guy we

1630
01:05:54,430 --> 01:05:53,089
talked about maybe working on some other

1631
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:54,440
projects together

1632
01:06:00,460 --> 01:05:56,960
would be fun we're both in the same area

1633
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:00,470
so I hope we can I hope we do also if

1634
01:06:05,859 --> 01:06:02,720
you heard the + show it's something that

1635
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:05,869
I'm realizing happens with podcasters

1636
01:06:11,620 --> 01:06:08,240
but we end up talking about THC way too

1637
01:06:13,450 --> 01:06:11,630
much in my opinion and I can't help it

1638
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:13,460
because it's the common ground that we

1639
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:16,569
have between host guests and audience

1640
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:19,010
obviously I always want to focus on the

1641
01:06:23,500 --> 01:06:21,050
guests but it's hard sometimes to get

1642
01:06:26,020 --> 01:06:23,510
too deep into specific episodes of their

1643
01:06:28,540 --> 01:06:26,030
shows when you the listening audience

1644
01:06:30,819 --> 01:06:28,550
don't really have that context and

1645
01:06:33,370 --> 01:06:30,829
sometimes it starts to sound like Oh

1646
01:06:35,710 --> 01:06:33,380
your interview with X was just so great

1647
01:06:39,010 --> 01:06:35,720
oh thanks well yeah that was a good one

1648
01:06:40,270 --> 01:06:39,020
oh yes and why was killer - oh well

1649
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:40,280
you're just too kind

1650
01:06:44,589 --> 01:06:42,770
and that sort of back and forth that can

1651
01:06:46,620 --> 01:06:44,599
happen it's like two people talking

1652
01:06:49,210 --> 01:06:46,630
about a movie that you just haven't seen

1653
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:49,220
so I try to avoid that but then we end

1654
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:51,290
up talking about THC and then I just

1655
01:06:55,420 --> 01:06:53,210
feel weird and as awkward as I sound

1656
01:06:57,730 --> 01:06:55,430
taking compliments and over-explaining

1657
01:07:00,640 --> 01:06:57,740
my choices at least I know we're not

1658
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:00,650
talking over your head also when it came

1659
01:07:04,750 --> 01:07:02,810
to the Plus show Alex had given me some

1660
01:07:07,569 --> 01:07:04,760
topic suggestions and there were a lot

1661
01:07:09,130 --> 01:07:07,579
of fun things in there and a lot of them

1662
01:07:12,819 --> 01:07:09,140
did come out in the Plus show we talked

1663
01:07:16,089 --> 01:07:12,829
about the flat earth and THC this Jason

1664
01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:16,099
hog kid Alex's experiences and the

1665
01:07:22,660 --> 01:07:18,310
business circles of Silicon Valley

1666
01:07:24,460 --> 01:07:22,670
Wolfgang how big on THC the various ways

1667
01:07:27,490 --> 01:07:24,470
to think about hierarchical

1668
01:07:29,470 --> 01:07:27,500
consciousness the proverbial tap on the

1669
01:07:33,700 --> 01:07:29,480
shoulder that we have to consider with

1670
01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:33,710
all alternative media and also something

1671
01:07:38,290 --> 01:07:35,510
we focused on for a while which was the

1672
01:07:40,420 --> 01:07:38,300
crossover between conspiracy and comedy

1673
01:07:42,430 --> 01:07:40,430
and neither of us are gonna be experts

1674
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:42,440
there but I think it's definitely fodder

1675
01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:44,930
for a good conversation and I definitely

1676
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:47,510
had a lot of little things to say about

1677
01:07:52,180 --> 01:07:50,480
various people in situations but it was

1678
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:52,190
almost like we had Alex in the hosting

1679
01:07:55,329 --> 01:07:54,170
chair for a bit there but I guess that

1680
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:55,339
happens when you're talking to an

1681
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:57,440
interviewer they can flip you they can

1682
01:08:01,599 --> 01:07:58,880
flip you for real if you're not on your

1683
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,609
guard but this was a great time and I

1684
01:08:05,140 --> 01:08:03,440
just wanted to introduce you to Alex's

1685
01:08:07,059 --> 01:08:05,150
work if you weren't familiar because I

1686
01:08:08,170 --> 01:08:07,069
hope he's someone who comes back here

1687
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:08,180
and checks in from time

1688
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:10,970
time and tells us about the latest going

1689
01:08:15,579 --> 01:08:13,490
on in his world but do go through the

1690
01:08:17,769 --> 01:08:15,589
skeptic o archives I mean he's got jock

1691
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:17,779
fillet in there he's got Gordon White

1692
01:08:22,150 --> 01:08:20,000
and Chris Knowles in there Michael -

1693
01:08:24,729 --> 01:08:22,160
sorry on recently and I really liked

1694
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:24,739
that one and I thought he squeezed a lot

1695
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:28,000
of juice out of Stanton Friedman - oh

1696
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:31,850
and he also had Jim Marrs on and asked

1697
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:33,920
him point-blank are you involved in

1698
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:36,799
Scientology I can't believe I forgot to

1699
01:08:43,809 --> 01:08:40,370
bring that up when he was here but yeah

1700
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:43,819
that was awesome and so clearly we walk

1701
01:08:47,890 --> 01:08:46,730
on parallel tracks and that was just a

1702
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:47,900
beautiful thing you should check that

1703
01:08:54,729 --> 01:08:51,170
one out for sure just like also I talked

1704
01:08:56,829 --> 01:08:54,739
about in the + show when Ryan and Sam on

1705
01:08:59,260 --> 01:08:56,839
tinfoil hat they asked Eddie Bravo

1706
01:09:01,300 --> 01:08:59,270
point-blank about Joe Rogan getting the

1707
01:09:02,769 --> 01:09:01,310
tap on the shoulder and that's the

1708
01:09:05,169 --> 01:09:02,779
elephant in the room because the show is

1709
01:09:05,740 --> 01:09:05,179
too huge not to have been brought into

1710
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:05,750
the fold

1711
01:09:11,410 --> 01:09:09,049
even just subtly but that was something

1712
01:09:14,019 --> 01:09:11,420
to watch - and I think those guys will

1713
01:09:15,970 --> 01:09:14,029
have to be the next podcasters we do an

1714
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:15,980
episode with because they've just been

1715
01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:19,489
great podcasting friends and they also

1716
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:21,710
have really covered some impressive

1717
01:09:26,620 --> 01:09:24,170
ground and made real cool contributions

1718
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:26,630
at this point and I hope that's what

1719
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:29,210
more podcasters do strive for is like

1720
01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:32,480
real impact I think we've had some great

1721
01:09:37,180 --> 01:09:34,310
moments - contributing to the collective

1722
01:09:39,459 --> 01:09:37,190
record of interesting things Alex again

1723
01:09:42,249 --> 01:09:39,469
was very kind and pointing out some of

1724
01:09:43,660 --> 01:09:42,259
those things that he thinks qualify but

1725
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:43,670
I really want to keep that in my mind

1726
01:09:49,150 --> 01:09:46,640
more often as Alex said guest selection

1727
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:49,160
is key and the questions of does this

1728
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:51,199
interview move the needle is this

1729
01:09:54,729 --> 01:09:52,250
something new

1730
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:54,739
does this occupy an untapped space in

1731
01:09:59,410 --> 01:09:57,530
the archive or is it more the same these

1732
01:10:01,930 --> 01:09:59,420
are things we got to consider I got to

1733
01:10:03,850 --> 01:10:01,940
consider of course nothing is going to

1734
01:10:06,370 --> 01:10:03,860
be new all the time but the more we can

1735
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:06,380
push that way the better no doubt

1736
01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:09,170
I think today's show did fill a void in

1737
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:11,150
the archive with a real synthesis of

1738
01:10:16,660 --> 01:10:13,850
that data on the fringe and there's no

1739
01:10:18,910 --> 01:10:16,670
better guy than Alex for the job really

1740
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,920
hope you liked it also if you're not a

1741
01:10:21,790 --> 01:10:20,719
plus member then you didn't hear the

1742
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:21,800
latest THC

1743
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:24,770
before this at all Laurie Hanrahan the

1744
01:10:31,450 --> 01:10:27,650
pedophile epidemic supply pipelines and

1745
01:10:33,220 --> 01:10:31,460
child abusers in power it is a very dark

1746
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:33,230
one to say the least but she does go

1747
01:10:38,649 --> 01:10:35,650
pretty deep and it's a plus only show

1748
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:38,659
rarely do we have that but once in a

1749
01:10:44,620 --> 01:10:41,210
while we do sign up already the higher

1750
01:10:49,060 --> 01:10:44,630
side chats plus calm slash subscribe or

1751
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:52,870
or going run by archangel x and it looks

1752
01:10:58,479 --> 01:10:55,610
like there is gonna be a live chat about

1753
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:58,489
THC every other night can you believe

1754
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:01,040
that there was a poll and people

1755
01:11:05,589 --> 01:11:03,440
apparently want to talk THC every other

1756
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:05,599
night so I think each will have a

1757
01:11:10,990 --> 01:11:09,290
focused topic if I'm not mistaken and

1758
01:11:14,620 --> 01:11:11,000
I'm pretty excited about it

1759
01:11:18,189 --> 01:11:14,630
the first one is Saturday March 17th at

1760
01:11:20,819 --> 01:11:18,199
7 p.m. Pacific I think I'm gonna miss

1761
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:20,829
that one but I'll surely jump in soon

1762
01:11:26,740 --> 01:11:23,690
look in these show notes for the discord

1763
01:11:28,660 --> 01:11:26,750
server link and that's about it guys the

1764
01:11:31,629 --> 01:11:28,670
next THC is actually going to be a

1765
01:11:33,370 --> 01:11:31,639
whopper as well if you ask me I'm really

1766
01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:33,380
happy with the way that turned out can't

1767
01:11:37,390 --> 01:11:36,409
wait to unleash that beast Anya but

1768
01:11:39,609 --> 01:11:37,400
that's it for today

1769
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:39,619
your move consciousness quarantine err

1770
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:42,050
scientific school syllabus writers and

1771
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:48,919
useful idiots of the big machine your

1772
01:12:02,560 --> 01:11:58,459
oh no you see the world isn't random

1773
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:02,570
it's attached above our strength control

1774
01:12:13,899 --> 01:12:10,080
over everything a 95 is trying to steal

1775
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:13,909
yeah now don't that job seems alien

1776
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:20,520
hello can you hear me why should I play

1777
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:23,090
man

1778
01:13:43,759 --> 01:12:47,330
and such a dear friend I'm Dan

1779
01:13:51,229 --> 01:13:43,769
[Music]

1780
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:51,239
oh no they're cartoons it's so typical

1781
01:14:04,509 --> 01:13:56,010
of me to talk about the stuff I'm sorry

1782
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:04,519
there's good and well did you ever hear

1783
01:14:17,980 --> 01:14:08,730
argument the nothing really happens it's

1784
01:16:08,590 --> 01:14:28,690
[Music]

1785
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:08,600
[Applause]